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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  The March 1970 KM reported on how well publishers were doing in dropping unproductive bible students so that others could "benefit" from receiving a Bible study in the short time remaining. The article "Become 'Intensely Occupied with the Word'" in the "Presenting the Good News" section said on page 4:

  A little over a year ago we were introduced to the six-month home Bible-study program. We immediately grasped that this would be an additional effective method to help get the work done in the short time remaining.

  Now reports from the field show that Bible studies are being discontinued as publishers realize that the student is not making progress. This is entirely proper. There is no reason to spend our time with those who obviously are not really interested in doing something about the truths they are learning. Some publishers still ask, "How can I know whether to discontinue the study when they appear to be interested and still are glad to have me come?" The answer is that we discontinue studies when it is apparent that there is not the appreciation for the truth that there should be. There might be interest in continuing to take in knowledge. But is there appreciation for the knowledge already taken in? Appreciation for Jehovah and the truth is demonstrated by deeds...

  Apparently the matter is being taken seriously by the brothers, because circuit servant reports show that many publishers unhesitatingly discontinue studies when the time comes to do so.
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  Jan 2015 OKM and those "Untrue Rumours".

  by tim hooper in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why important: many that we meet in the.

  ministry are polite.

  however, jesus prophesied.

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  Why Important: Many that we meet in the
  ministry are polite. However, Jesus prophesied
  that some people will hate us. (John 17:
  14) Therefore, it should not surprise us if we
  encounter an irate householder. When this
  occurs, we want to respond in a way that
  pleases the one whom we represent, Jehovah.
  (Rom. 12:17-21; 1 Pet. 3:15) Doing so will
  likely prevent the situation from escalating.
  It will also give a witness to the householder
  and any observers, making them more inclined
  to listen the next time Jehovah’s Witnesses
  visit.—2 Cor. 6:3.
  Howto Do It:
  ˙ Maintain a calm and friendly demeanor.
  This will help defuse the situation. Do not
  take the householder’s reaction personally.
  (Eccl. 7:9) He may be upset because of
  personal problems or because you happened
  to call at the wrong time. Even if he
  is irritated by ourmessage, often this is because
  he has been misled.—2 Cor. 4:4.
  ˙ Reply with mild and gracious words.
  (Prov.15:1) Did you wake him up or interrupt
  him? Although we do not apologize
  for our work, you could humbly apologize
  for calling at an inopportune time. Is he
  angry because of an untrue rumor that
  he has heard about us? If so, you might
  say: “I can understand why thatwould upset
  you. However, it seems that what you
  have heard about us is not accurate. May I
  explain?” Does he object to one of our beliefs,
  perhaps regarding disfellowshipping
  or blood? You could say: “I understand.
  Others have expressed the same concerns.
  May I show you from the Bible the basis
  for that teaching?”
  ˙ If the person is highly agitated, it may be
  best to take your leave without trying to
  reply. If he asks that Jehovah’sWitnesses
  not visit him again, you can assure him
  that his wishes will be honored.
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  Are there ANY mind-controlling cults that DON'T hate gays???

  by NAVYTOWN in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  please help me with this: can you think of a single mind-controlling cult that isn't anti-gay???

  it seems to me that virtually all such groups preach against homosexuality.

  jws.....mormons....moonies.....jim jones.....david koresh.....the catholic church.....radical islam.....russian orthodox church......scientology......lyndon larouche...to name just a few.

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  The UK Conservative party pushed through the same sex marriage bill.
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  Is Anthony Morris III gay?

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why else would he constantly bring up "gay-inspired" clothing when speaking to such large audiences?.

  nothing wrong with being gay.

  but he should just come out of the closet already and stop all this stupidity... just saying.. .

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  tim hooper

  This has been going on for years:

  WT 8-15-75:

  Christian women are admonished to have well-arranged dress, to adorn themselves with modesty. This principle, of course, also applies to men in the congregation. In determining whether to wear a particular style, we can ask if the clothing or grooming reflects modesty, or whether it is immodest and proves embarrassing to others. Tight trousers tend to be immodest for a man, just as short or revealing dresses can be immodest for a woman. When a sister bends over or tries to seat herself modestly on the platform, does she have difficulty because of her short dress? Do we possibly, by what we wear or by our grooming, mislead others into thinking that we have loose morals or have a proud, militant attitude?
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  PHOTO : Anthony Morris with ....tight pants on !

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just for laughs someone photoshopoped that .i wonder why .... the letter that proves the sell off kingdom halls in britain.

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  So I guess he must really approve of these guys:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAzQYZEKjzk
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  Children calling jw adults uncle and auntie, when did that start?

  by awakening in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i cant figure out when the auntie and uncle thing started or why.

  it sure is a peadophiles dream to have a kid they dont know call them uncle!

  they are now in a special relationship.

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  About 1955. CO's worked it into their Saturday night talk. It was meant to be a sign of respect for one's elders. Also, prior to that, when kids called adults by their first name when meeting in the street, onlookers would be offended that kids should show such familiarity. This is the 50's remember! You couldn't really refer to them as Mr or Mrs either. Plus, if you addressed someone as Bro or Sister so-and-so in front of non-believers you'd get some very strange looks. So the Uncle and Auntie thing was reckoned to be a good compromise all round.
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  It is official they're selling off Kingdom Halls in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i posted here a week ago some disturbing news for congregations being consolidated in britain.

  my goodness that was nothing !

  a letter was read today from bethel addressed to all congregations in britain that can only be described as the biggest news for years.the main points:.

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  Didn't the WT announce some months ago that JW's may have to act against their instincts? I would have though that being told to sell your KH in order to send the money to the WT was pretty much against most folks instincts!
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  Who paid for Beth-Sarim?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had asked this question in the chatroom, "who contributed the funds for rutherford's.

  san diego house known as beth-sarim?".

  (i also asked this question in maximus' thread, "need assistance re judge r").

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  On page 6 of the pdf, reference is made to "some brethren" paying for Beth Sarim out of their own personal funds:

  http://jehovah.net.au/books/1931_Messenger.pdf
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  Who paid for Beth-Sarim?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had asked this question in the chatroom, "who contributed the funds for rutherford's.

  san diego house known as beth-sarim?".

  (i also asked this question in maximus' thread, "need assistance re judge r").

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  tim hooper

  So did anyone ever find out who actually came up with the cash for Beth Sarim?

  JW apologists argue that it belonged to Rutherford and that he gifted it to the WT society and to the "Ancient Princes"

  But where did the purchase money come from originally?
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  Why No Disfellowshipping Before 1952?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why was there no official arrangement before 1952 to disfellowship people?

  was there a different procedure with a different name?

  was no one committing disfellowshipping offenses?

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  tim hooper

  Some more info from Barbara Anderson:

  " ..in the early 50s, Knorr put into operation the disfellowshipping arrangement in a way that was not known previously. It was because of a sexual scandal that involved Bethelites. There is a Kingdom Hall, the Brooklyn Heights Congregation, in the 107 Columbia Heights building, which building houses hundreds of Bethelites. Neighborhood Jehovah's Witnesses attend meetings at the Brooklyn Heights Congregation as well as many Bethelites. In and around 1953 or '54 (and I've forgotten the exact date, which my husband knows, but he's not home for me to ask), a number of young Bethelites who were assigned to the Brooklyn Heights Congregation were engaged in wife-swapping with couples who were not Bethelites, but who lived in the area. When the fat hit the fan, so to speak, Knorr was furious. That's when he used DISFELLOWSHIPPING and cleaned house."